Speaker 1: 0:13

Hello and thank you for joining us for another episode of I freaking love that movie. I'm Andrew, joined by my buddy, rob, as we dive into another movie we freaking love. This isn't a podcast for those quippy cynics. Just love for movies and the people who make them. We're back from outer space For a glorious 2025. Happy New Year, mr Rob, happy New Year Andrew. Well, I don't know a better way to start 2025 than to talk about movies. I love. I freaking love with you my good old pal.

Speaker 2: 0:53

That's a very, very good way to start.

Speaker 1: 0:55

It is. It is a New Year's treat, as they like to say. Yes, I think they like to say it's like the platter of cheese and little meats and crackers a little charcuterie and just a little bit of cot on the side, isn't that right?

Speaker 2: 1:18

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:20

And that is, of course, the drug I'm talking about, as today we are talking about Black Hawk Tao.

Speaker 2: 1:31

The story of the 1993 Battle of Mogadishu. It starts with what seems like a straightforward mission US Army Rangers and Delta Force operators are sent into Somalia to capture two top lieutenants of a powerful warlord, disrupting international humanitarian aid. But nothing goes as planned. Within minutes, chaos erupts as Somali militia forces swarm the city and two Black Hawk helicopters are shot out of the sky. What was supposed to be a quick operation spirals into a desperate all-night battle for survival.

Speaker 2: 2:02

Stranded deep in hostile territory, the soldiers are forced to rely on each other as they navigate relentless gunfire, overwhelming odds and the gut-wrenching reality of modern warfare based on, like quality or cinematic experience or, uh, just you know the content or the the directorial style of of the auteur or whatever. But there's also movies that you just quote endlessly and there's so many different uh lines in this film that we just have inserted into, like every normal day conversations with each other for the past like 20 years. And that was one of them. It was like pretty funny. This is my safety, sir. I believe another one is I recognize myself, which is just a joke.

Speaker 1: 2:59

Recognize myself.

Speaker 2: 3:01

Yeah, one of the privates is. Or is he private? No, I don't remember what his rank was. One of the privates, is he private? No, I don't remember what his rank was, but he's making fun of one of his superiors and the guy's standing right behind him. Pretty funny, huh Good impression I recognize myself and he's like I recognize myself and then he says a lot of stuff that yeah that doesn't.

Speaker 1: 3:25

We can't repeat on this podcast.

Speaker 2: 3:27

He's like if you break, he's like this is what happens when you break the chain of command.

Speaker 1: 3:33

You'll be cleaning the latrine with your tongue until you can't tell the difference between. You can guess French fries.

Speaker 2: 3:42

So yes, it's a military movie.

Speaker 1: 3:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:44

So very. They get very creative with the english language. So, as you said, andrew, we're back. It's 2025. We're on a little bit of hiatus and we want to thank uh john and walter for giving us a great halloween themed episode back in october, and then we took the holidays off and we are back. 2025 rebooted is back. I freaking love that movie is back I was thinking.

Speaker 1: 4:08

I'm pretty sure I sang that same song when we came back the first time I think you did.

Speaker 2: 4:14

I think you did, uh, but we had a good long break. Um, we've been working on a lot of jammer related things, but we decided, you know, it's about time we got to get ourselves back into the swing of it, and so we're ready here for 2025. As you said, going back in time, so we're going all the way back to 2001 for when this film came out, but it's about events that happened in 1993. So I know we've talked a little bit about Mogadishu and some of that kind of military history, and I generally try to air to you when we're discussing military history, because you have that as one of your great passions, a lot of folks now here are Somalian they think of like pirates. The mid-aughts, early 2010s is kind of that's been the kind of the overarching story in Somalia is about, you know, piracy and the issues with that. But this, further back than that, there was a great deal of strife and trauma there, so I don't know if you wanted to talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 1: 5:25

I can. I don't want to get too far into it. I mean there's a lot, there's a lot to it about. You know, this was these events were. I guess they were part of the somali civil war. But they kind of happened after the somali civil war after the marines came in and kind of helped establish peace. Um, well, it was more than just the marines, it was. It was a uh, united nations, for you know some, you know some, I think, um, you know how they like to give them code, code names and things. Um, but they came in. It was a coalition group, of course. They came in, restored peace and then, uh, this force stayed and kind of tried to contain there's. I mean there's a lot to it.

Speaker 1: 6:14

Um, yeah, it's a it's a messy history once, um, like anything when there was, when there's warlords and militias that are running things, when you have something like a coalition or like you know, some come in, it's uh, it's a threat to their hegemony and they fight each other and they fight the peacekeepers, and that's the story over and over and over again. And the Muhammad Farah Hadid, the person that was in charge of the Somali National Alliance, was, I think, one of the more powerful of the warlords, or if not the most powerful at that time, and that's why they were trying to, uh, you know, take, take him out, or you know, get him. But you also kind of caught me flat-footed here.

Speaker 2: 7:03

I didn't know you were talking about the battle and look, look how you did it, though, like you were, you were able to outline that pretty, pretty well. And that's kind of where you you step into the film, you see they're trying to hand out like food and supplies and stuff, and the warlords are coming in going, no, we are gonna take everything, and then we will decide who gets stuff. Um, and at that point it's like so these guys are definitely a hindrance to leftover peacekeeping forces that are still there.

Speaker 1: 7:36

Right, right. And the other thing to remember is that the movie takes place in a very small part of the capital, which is a much larger country that had a much larger problem, that was being torn apart by these factions and these warlords and these things like that. So, like the movie takes place at bakara market, which is in mogadishu, which is in southern somalia, which is on the horn of africa, which is, you know, on the african continent. So like it, really it is as funny because the movie seems kind of big and it seems like you're like addressing the whole war, but you're not.

Speaker 1: 8:11

It was really. It was a two, two-day thing. That was a very narrow, isolated incident. But I mean, it was huge to the american people too, because you know, the images of american servicemen being stripped and their dead bodies carried down the streets was shocking for the american people. And yeah, you know, and some of, uh, what the, the books and the things I've read since then about, you know know special forces or military operations. You know, post-mokandishu, like a lot of, you know, a lot of military brass got kind of gun shy about intervening and doing things. You know.

Speaker 2: 8:50

So they wouldn't have one of those Black Hawk Down situations again.

Speaker 1: 8:55

Right, uh, you know, so they wouldn't have one of those black hawk down situations again, right, because I mean, and there was a couple times when, early on, like in the war of, yes, afghanistan, where they could have made moves and things, but they didn't want that, the optics of you know, yeah, that kind of thing happening again. Uh, at least you know, according to some of the books I've read and things like that. So obviously I'm not a military brass, so so I don't know. It is interesting how this one event, this one piece in this larger conflict, in this larger nation, in this larger thing, had these ripple effects through the US military.

Speaker 2: 9:28

Yeah, and it's interesting because, like you said, it's at a very small scale. And it's interesting because, like you said, it's at a very small scale. The actual events of the movie are generally just like a 48-hour time period of this much larger conflict, and it's almost a decade after. The fact is, when this movie comes out, it comes out in 2001,. Right up against, you know, the, the war on terror.

Speaker 2: 9:59

I don't know about you and I don't remember if we talked about when we first watched it, but I know that I first watched it like 2003, 2004, in college, when we're when we were roommates, and it does strike me as interesting because you do, you do see all these servicemen, these different soldiers as a military age, like kid, essentially, back then in 2003, 2004.

Speaker 2: 10:28

I'm watching, you know, I'm watching this, and we're in the midst of the war on terror. I'm watching this and we're in the midst of the war on terror, but we're also we have this you know, the war in Iraq just starts, essentially in the. In these like couple of years span since the movie came out, and I know that there was talk of, you know, you, 17, 18 year old men you're thinking about. Oh, am I? Are they going to like restart the draft? Like, are we, just because it's it had been such a long period of time since we had, like, these larger conflicts? You know as a, as a country, that those are the kind of questions that are coming up. And then this kind of movie felt very poignant at the time, cause I'm I'm watching this and I'm thinking about what it would be like to be, you know, shipped overseas and really involved in a conflict that doesn't feel like it pertains to you.

Speaker 1: 11:19

Well, yeah, and I think the fear for me was so, while I had seen this movie when it first came out, I remember when it was actually first released, it was like a limited release in New York and LA and stuff and I was a little disappointed because I thought, ah, I won't get to see it it. But then obviously I had a wider release and I got to see it, um, but you know, I think that the fear of the draft really came from, you know, once the second war was declared, it was like, you know, there was this, this chance that we were going to draft it up. I mean not to go too much into my history with that, but you know, I mean I was in pursuit of, uh, you know, working or taking a enlistment with the reserves at that time and uh, you know, I didn't want to be going to overseas, to iraq, you know, I mean it was. There was one thing about me where there was, you know, the certain part of the patriotic side or the side that was like, okay, I'd be okay serving in Afghanistan and things like that. But it was like there was that weird feeling of like, okay, well, now we're looking at a second war in a country where we're invading and you know, and actually you know there was a number of people that you and I went to college with that did serve, you know, and through the rotc program specifically and whatnot, you know, a couple of my very good friends and I actually had a very good friend killed in iraq.

Speaker 1: 12:42

I mean, I still really enjoy, uh, military history. You know, and even you know sci-fi military stories. You know history, military history either, modern military things like that. Um, you know, I still enjoy all that despite all this. I mean, I think to a certain degree it's like they say in the movie you know, once that first bullet goes past your window, politics goes out the window. So you know, you, if you leave politics out of it, there's a lot of interesting things and a lot of interesting things we learned, um, but I also know that that can be quite a charged thing for some people. You know, and that's it's hard sometimes to be like.

Speaker 1: 13:21

You know you come and you come to like you bring like a movie like this. You say, man, one of my favorite movies, a movie I freaking love, is a war movie, and sometimes you get, you get an odd look from some people that they. So you, you enjoy a movie that's about, you know, 18 dead americans and probably 200 dead somalians and it's like, well, it's not. You're not glorifying the war or the death.

Speaker 1: 13:48

There's something about like going through the trenches of something in general. Right, you know, like I talked about it, like when in in like production, like video production, or uh, you know at work when you know we've got really busy days or whatever, or you know we're getting through containers and things like that. I mean we're not dealing with life and death there. But or like when my wife you know, if you're a reboot fan, you know she's a star Starbucks barista and she's got these crazy days.

Speaker 1: 14:16

And I said there's something about going through the trenches together, right, that when you come out you come out the other side. You've built this camaraderie and you've built this relationship that you don't otherwise normally have. And I think movies like this and experiencing things like that help build friendships, help build relationships, help build all that kind of thing. I think that is part of the thing to look for in war films and find that really you really enjoy in them. Um, especially for, for you know, people who haven't experienced war or things like that personally you don't necessarily know, you don't have that personal reflection back on what is being shown, but you can still have that respect. You don't necessarily know, you don't have that personal reflection back on what is being shown, but you can still have that respect.

Speaker 2: 14:57

You can still have shared experience, just even through entertainment yeah, and, and you know, coming back to the movie, if if we had just watched the film and it was just from the market scene to the end of the movie, it wouldn't have, it would have felt much different than than what we got, which is you have, you know, first 20-30 minutes of the film is you get to know the soldiers to a certain extent, like they're covering a lot of soldiers and so like they're not fleshing characters out like full, fully featured people, but you get an idea for how the delta group interacts with rangers and you get to see how rangers are friends. You get to see a person who's stuck behind a desk typing because he, because he can type, which I guess back in 1993 it was like a, a thing that that kept him behind a in a desk job, um, which still I gotta admit.

Speaker 2: 15:54

I gotta admit rep still blows my mind, I know, 93, I was typing and and we were like but the older, you know, some of the older guys in that unit probably were like no, we don't type, I don't yeah well, it is funny because like it's, it's I don't know not to aside this real quick, but it is funny how like ubiquitous typing is.

Speaker 1: 16:14

Now yeah, but and it's not like. It's not like typewriters were new or computers were new back then. The qwerty keyboard wasn't new. They've been using typewriters for ages. But it is funny, though, is that it wasn't something that everyone had to do, or everyone did, so it was still kind of like a you know.

Speaker 2: 16:31

Obviously anyone could look at a keyboard and hunt back their way through, but to type at speed, was a skill when you're having to do data entry and all that kind of stuff Right Without errors in the military is kind of important. But it's funny because you have Blackburn, who's like the really green, like Orlando, Orlando, bloom Uh, who's like. Who's making fun of Ewan McGregor's character because he's he's stuck behind a desk job because he types, but he also makes really good coffee because it's all in the grind.

Speaker 2: 17:06

It's another, it's all in the grind size more. Anyway, ewan McGreggregor is, you know, talking about typing or whatever. And in orlando bloom's characters like typing and he's like can you type?

Speaker 1: 17:22

no, and he's like well, he's like look, kid you, look like you're like 12. This place like that's I think that's one of orlando bloom's like early movies.

Speaker 2: 17:33

It's one of Orlando Bloom's early movies. Oh, it's one of his first films.

Speaker 1: 17:35

Had it been before, pirates right Also.

Speaker 2: 17:39

I believe it was before Pirates. It was right before Pirates of the Caribbean. Also, this would be in our fun facts. But it's also Tom Hardy's first feature film.

Speaker 1: 17:49

Which I didn't realize.

Speaker 2: 17:50

That was his first feature film either it was this and then it was Star Trek Nemesis.

Speaker 1: 17:55

Okay, Right after that, which he played, an amazing Picard clone.

Speaker 2: 17:58

Very, yes, spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't seen a 20-year-old film. Now I guess, just when it comes down to like you're talking about, the reason why the film is so strong for me, like you said, is that this atmosphere, environment of camaraderie between all of these people, like you get the sense that they all know each other and have been working together for a long period of time and then they get dropped into this horrible situation and I say dropped also as a euphemism, because orlando bloom does drop out of a helicopter and busts his back, which apparently he used as background, because apparently he had a back injury at one point as a young man and he used that in his audition. So very interesting.

Speaker 1: 18:44

He was like I know how to lay really still on a stretcher.

Speaker 2: 18:46

I know what it means to have my back hurt, so they're like we don't care. You're a good-looking young man and we need a bunch of good-looking young men Also. First just wanted to throw this out. It's also Eric Bana's first US film.

Speaker 1: 19:06

Ah okay, US film.

Speaker 2: 19:07

Yes, so Originally Ridley Scott wanted Russell Crowe to play Hoot. That would have been wild, it would have been very interesting. Well, think about 2003. Russell Crowe, it was a little, you know that was a while ago.

Speaker 2: 19:19

Gladiator Russell Crowe. Yeah, okay, but he was filming A Beautiful Mind so he couldn't do it. But Crowe knew he was a huge fan of Chopper from. It was a 2000 film with Eric Bana in it and he was like you should hire Eric Bana for this role. Very interesting because I feel like of the many characters, hoot is like my go-to favorite. I like him because he's just like he's always really even keeled through the whole film. It's like nothing really phases him. He's not like vengeful and mean and violent. He's like nothing really phases him. He's not vengeful and mean and violent. He's also not overly emotional. He's like this just is what it is and you have to just keep going, even to the point where after everybody gets back at the end of the mission he's getting all of his ammo replenished because he's going to head back out. It's like you just have to keep going.

Speaker 1: 20:14

you can't question it well, it's history, it's interesting too because it's well he was.

Speaker 1: 20:19

He is an amalgamation of a number of different characters, so there was no one actually there named hoot and whatnot, but at least, at least as far as they let us know, I mean, maybe it was like a cia guy and they just, you know, they said no, of course there wasn't a guy there named hoot, but you know, I thought it was interesting, a CIA guy. And they just, you know, they said no, of course there wasn't a guy there named who, but you know I thought it was interesting cause he, you know he talks about again this could just be the Hollywood writers, and I don't know if this really came out, and I don't, I don't remember it being discussed in the book specifically, but like he talks about in the film, like people back home don understand why they do it, why why he does it, and you know he goes and he goes into the. You know this is why I think it's probably a little hollywood, because he goes into that. Well, it's about the guy next to you kind of thing. And yeah, that goes back to where I was talking about the camaraderie. Right, in not so many, in not so many words.

Speaker 2: 21:05

It's what he's talking about he was uh wrapping the film up in a nice little boat. He's like talking with one of the guys what was?

Speaker 1: 21:14

uh? Oh, not, matt damon, it was um, oh, what's that guy's name?

Speaker 2: 21:17

actor josh hartnett, yeah, yeah another interesting he's, he's pretty good, um, I I think I mean matt damon's a poor man, josh hartnett.

Speaker 2: 21:31

I think the the issue with josh Hartnett in general we're being all I freaking love that movie. Right, not being quippy is I feel like Josh Hartnett. It took him like a long time to shake the Pearl Harbor, which is interesting. So he filmed Pearl Harbor, or Pearl Harbor came out in 2001. And he's like this heartthrob. That was like the thing that launched him. And Jerry Bruckheimer suggested him for this film and he was very reluctant to do it because he didn't want to do another blockbuster so soon, because he had just gotten out of a Michael Bay film and it's like, okay, well, you're like the hot commodity right now, buddy, just just right.

Speaker 2: 22:17

But then you know you can he finds out like he would get to work with ridley scott, and I think that was the like, the thing that pushed him into doing it was like okay, it's ridley scott like I, if you get an opportunity to work with ridley scott as an actor, it's like right I don't know how we've gone this far without mentioning that this is a ridley scott film.

Speaker 1: 22:38

Oh yeah, he, and it is iconic, ridley scott, and it's just so well shot. The visuals are amazing. I mean they shot. I mean they even shot all the night scenes at in the daytime and darken them. But like the way there's this scene where the Blackhawks go out over the ocean and they cross the cliffs, and that whole sequence of them coming to the city is like top-notch pinnacle Ridley Scott. I mean it is shot so well, it's gorgeous and the music just is evocative. Oh, and the music at the end too, when they, when they do the Mogadishu Mile.

Speaker 2: 23:20

Oh my gosh, it's and that's another area where it's like, oh, this is a Ridley Scott film, because it's like fog and smoke, yeah and that's like his go-to. It's like it's either, like you know, really rainy, rainy, or you have this dense fog, atmospheric lighting, which he does earlier on, because for some reason it's seared into my mind the general sweating Because it's just so hot where they are and it's like, oh, it's Ridley Scott and everything's wet and that's his thing. Hot where they are.

Speaker 1: 23:54

And it's like, oh, it's Ridley Scott and everything's wet and that's like his thing, including the general, and so the general is General Garrison, and he was played by Sam Shepard, and Sam played that Texas-born general so well, I mean, and he's from Illinois.

Speaker 2: 24:14

He's from Illinois and and plays a Texan Sam Shepard.

Speaker 1: 24:17

Yeah, and.

Speaker 2: 24:20

I was from Illinois playing a Texan and then I moved to Texas.

Speaker 1: 24:24

So it was kind of you know, then you became a Texan, playing a.

Speaker 2: 24:30

Illinois. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what I am anymore.

Speaker 1: 24:42

Another great actor in this was tom sizemore. Oh yeah, tom sizemore. Uh, he played, he played. Uh, danny mcknight, uh, he led the column that was the the relief column.

Speaker 2: 24:46

He just did really well in it never and never have I seen a better actor to stand around while people are shooting at you and not looking like you give a crap, because that was him.

Speaker 1: 25:04

I like this scene. I like this scene where he's just like look at these guys, they're shooting at us, those jerks. Look at these guys, they're shooting at us, those jerks.

Speaker 2: 25:15

Which takes me near the end of the film where Ewan McGregor is getting into the APC or whatever and he's like we got to go. These things are bullet magnets. Come on, let's go. It's like screaming at people. And where's Tom Sizemore? He's still standing out there, just shots being fired all around him and he doesn't care. Yeah, or his driver getting like blinded by shrapnel.

Speaker 1: 25:41

And he grabs the wheel and is like keep driving.

Speaker 2: 25:45

There's so many iconic scenes. Also, a fun fact that I got from our buddy, derek, who likes to give us fan questions or remarks mostly it's remarks, because Derek likes to talk about film a lot too is that one of the character who gets deafened by the machine gun actually lost his hearing while filming the movie. So a little bit of the process, film is pain for him.

Speaker 1: 26:26

I don't think it was a permanent thing.

Speaker 2: 26:29

Yeah, also. Yes, it's like the pipeline of if you play a soldier one time in a movie, you get casted to play soldiers because because it's when they're looking for inspiration for whatever they're filming. They're watching the movie. You know that you're in already, so they're like oh, we should just call that guy.

Speaker 1: 26:53

Yeah, that's true, he's good, he went through the training. I think it kind of became a a common thing in military films during this time was like, cause you'd see it, a lot of the special features, like we actually went for a week and did bootcamp and whatnot, um, and and it kind of lost a bit of its luster. I feel like Saving Private Ryan was the first to do it, at least to talk about it and do it, and then a bunch of other movies, war movies, did it as well. But it was kind of cool too because they talked about it. In one of the behind-the-scenes set, this actor, th Scott, had a note from. Obviously it was an anonymous note, you know or not, not a real note, but like soldiers had written them notes from the dead, um, saying tell our story, and things like that, which I think had. It meant a lot to them.

Speaker 2: 27:47

So yeah, I I peppered in some of derek's thing. The other thing he said was that he just said that you know, the action and direction are as tight as the magnetic grip it has on the viewer, which is Derek, has a way with words. Thanks Derek, thanks Derek. Derek gave me a lot of different stuff. I guess at one point wrote some stuff about Ridley Scott in general, so he covered Blackhawk Down and several other films. So he pulled Hawk Down and several other films he pulled.

Speaker 1: 28:14

Gotcha Okay, is this Derek, your former roommate Derek?

Speaker 2: 28:19

Yes.

Speaker 1: 28:20

I didn't know he listened to us.

Speaker 2: 28:22

He listens to us sometimes and then I'll just text him. I'll be like, hey, we're going to do this movie. What do you got for me? What sweet, sweet information do you have?

Speaker 1: 28:33

I got.

Speaker 2: 28:34

Ridley Scott for you. He's like I've written about Ridley Scott.

Speaker 1: 28:37

Let me go find my stuff now I gotta find our lists, our lists. One would think we'd do a better job about saving those he's pissed.

Speaker 2: 28:48

He'll see you later, lichtenstein. Lichtenstein wait, that's not this movie. A Knight's Tale. A Knight's Tale, it's Lichtenstein.

Speaker 1: 28:55

Lichtenstein. Wait, that's not this movie. A Knight's Tale A.

Speaker 2: 28:57

Knight's Tale, yeah, which also came out around this time.

Speaker 1: 29:01

You know I love A Knight's Tale.

Speaker 2: 29:03

If it was a DVD and we could buy it at Walmart In Kankakee, we probably watched it.

Speaker 1: 29:13

Yeah, but at that time it was cheaper to buy one of our TVs than it was to rent them.

Speaker 2: 29:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:19

Speaking of A Knight's Tale, Mr Robert, do you remember the character Jocelyn in it?

Speaker 2: 29:29

I do remember that character.

Speaker 1: 29:40

Yes, her name is shannon sossaman, and she was also the pink haired girl in kiss, kiss, bang bang, a movie you and I both love that is true when I was, uh, on that big trail of actors and actresses, I found out that that her and her sister I don't think she's in the band anymore, but they have a band called War Paint, which is actually a fairly good band that I really enjoyed listening to.

Speaker 2: 30:01

I did not know that. I will have to look them up.

Speaker 1: 30:04

Nice, there you go. But enough about A Knight's Tale, because it's called.

Speaker 2: 30:09

Alliance Hello, hello, we're going gonna have to add this into the list at some point right where on the list, robert does black hawk down land for you uh, I'm going to say that black hawk down is going to fall at number 21 for me. So it's going to be between Children of Men and Interstellar.

Speaker 1: 30:40

That is incredibly close to where mine's going to go. Oh, let me update your list here real quick before we forget again and then we don't know what your list is, before we forget again and then we don't know what your list is.

Speaker 2: 30:57

Mine is going to go at number 19, which is Between Children of Men and Toy Story, so it's two very different films, but just below. Children of Men both times.

Speaker 1: 31:10

Right, yeah, but just below children of men. Both times, right, yeah, like so, yeah, so that puts mine right there, right at number 19 for me and 20 for you. Wow, all right. Well, there you have it, and if you'd like to see more of our movie lists, you can once again visit us at jammerfun slash ifltm that's jamrfun slash ifltm to see our lists and find out more about our show. You can also share your list with us.

Speaker 1: 31:46

You can also send us a question or record a query and upload it to us, and we can go back to our little radio show interludes. And you can also find us on our social channels, which are in the show notes, and, if you want to find me and, I think, robert, now too, we have left the hallowed halls of Twitter and are now gracing the halls, gracing the skies of blue sky, where I am, of course, at searsandrewbskysocial, and Robert is at robfikecom. So thanks for joining us on this episode. We look forward to having you back next week. In the meantime, please remember, we all freaking, love different movies, and that's a good thing. So, as Blockbuster used to say, be kind and rewind. As always, we encourage you to share with anyone who will listen what movies you freaking love. Bye, see you in the next lichtenstein.