Speaker 1: 0:13

What's up y'all? Thank you for joining us for another episode of I freaking love that movie. We just heard some heavy breathing on the line and I haven't heard from Rob or Andrew in a little while, so I guess we'll walk across the street and see what's happening. I'm your special guest, host, john. Join this episode by my son, walter, and we'll be figuring out where the evil has gone. This isn't a podcast for quippy cynics, just love for movies and the people who make them. You know, one of my greatest joys is sharing movies that I love with my children, and I freaking love horror movies. So I'm on a journey to introduce them to my favorite horror movies as they become somewhat age appropriate. Ish. This spooky season, me and my boys are talking about our favorite cinematic scares, and today we're covering the Rosetta Stone of slashers and perhaps my favorite movie of all time Halloween. All right, today I'm joined by my 13-year-old son. What do you think of Halloween? It's fun.

Speaker 2: 1:19

Watching it the second time today was interesting yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:24

Yeah, what was interesting. Yeah, yeah, what was interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:27

Knowing what was going to happen. So you didn't, my heart didn't feel like it was going like a jackhammer.

Speaker 1: 1:33

Right. It wasn't quite as thrilling when you know how it turns out, but the first time you watched it it was like whoa.

Speaker 2: 1:41

You don't know when it's going to strike, but now you do, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:44

Does it hold up? It does hold up, okay, because this movie was made almost 50 years ago. Now it was made 46 years ago, and so you still think it holds up. Yeah, do you think it's scary for children of your generation?

Speaker 2: 2:03

Nah, it's just the thrill. It's the thrilling part of watching it the first time that makes it hold up.

Speaker 1: 2:10

Yeah, and you could feel that tension, right, yeah, okay. Well, a quick plot summary. A deeply disturbed man stalks babysitters. That's probably the simplest plot description.

Speaker 2: 2:23

Simplest, not the most effective, but the simplest.

Speaker 1: 2:25

Yeah, how would you describe the plot?

Speaker 2: 2:31

Are we doing actual plot summaries or somewhat?

Speaker 1: 2:34

bad, you could do a simple one. Give me two to three sentences.

Speaker 2: 2:44

I think I got it Okay okay, go for it um, mentally unstable man. Um takes out making out teens. Yeah, that's a pretty good one, not bad.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Could be better, but not bad yeah, as I mentioned in the in the uh beginning, this is the proto slasher movie. This is the slasher movie that all other slashers kind of derive from. You could argue that psycho and peeping tom and black christmas and some other stuff came before this, but this is like the michael jordan of slashers that everybody derives, uh, their slasherness from, and so the format, like you said, it kind of of builds tension. Right, you have the perspective of the killer and all of that. What do you think was different about this movie than maybe what you were expecting from horror movies as you start to get into the genre?

Speaker 2: 3:35

I was expecting a lot more deaths.

Speaker 1: 3:39

There's really only a few. Yeah, let's see there's Judith at the beginning. Judith, yeah, only a few, let's see, there's Judith at the beginning, If you haven't seen Halloween. It opens with young Michael Myers at, I believe, six years old. Yeah, killing his sister. And then he eventually escapes from a mental institution and comes home to wreak havoc.

Speaker 2: 4:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:02

Yeah, and so there's Judith, right the tow truck driver. Tow truck havoc, yeah, yeah, and so there was Judith right, there's Judith the tow truck driver.

Speaker 2: 4:08

Tow truck driver Annie Annie Bob. Paul, yeah Bob no not Paul, because she never got to pick him up.

Speaker 1: 4:14

Right, bob, because he got in the car, yep, and then Linda, linda. So five, five, it's not a lot it.

Speaker 2: 4:21

Five. It's not a lot, it's not a lot.

Speaker 1: 4:22

It's not a lot, and you know who? We didn't list Michael. No, yeah, because he's gone at the end. All right, what?

Speaker 2: 4:33

did you freaking love about this movie? Oh, just a favorite scene or just a?

Speaker 1: 4:37

favorite overall, just favorite overall. We'll have a moment to kind of get to some of what we call the gushers, like the things that we were like. But what do you? What do you? Overall love.

Speaker 2: 4:47

It's just the, it's the fact of like, not the boogeyman, but just the way he's able to so quickly and quietly do this.

Speaker 1: 4:58

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:02

Like he's been practicing and he's been locked in a mental institution. Yeah, I think I think the boogeyman factor is one of the things that I always loved about this movie. This is one of the movies probably my favorite movie, certainly my favorite well, probably my favorite scary movie as well. It's a movie that I love so much, and there's always a risk factor when you're showing your kids something you love so much, because I'm always afraid oh, is he gonna think this is cheesy, oh, is he gonna think this is stupid. But I was really excited to be able to show. So you like the boogeyman factor. What else stands out for this one?

Speaker 2: 5:33

the plague of perspectives, because the just the mask at the beginning is incredible, like right when they put on the mask.

Speaker 1: 5:42

When he puts on the clown mask over the camera. Yeah, yeah, oh, that beginning tracking shot is something that I love, an all-time great one. It feels uninterrupted from the time you peep in the window all the way through to him holding the knife out front. What an amazing shot. Yeah, the music iconic. Like that music is in fortnite right. Like that music like transcends time and space. Because it's just, it's good, it just is what it is. Man, it is one of the most iconic pieces of movie sound um out there movie soundtrack soundtrack especially. Uh, it really, even though it's an independent movie, it still doesn't feel rough, like it doesn't feel, like it's low budget.

Speaker 1: 6:33

Yeah, it doesn't feel low budget at all, which is good. Okay, what would you say? Your favorite scene is?

Speaker 2: 6:41

Favorite scene. Oh, it's the point where she's seen all the deaths and he fades into the background oh, my gosh walter.

Speaker 1: 6:51

That's my favorite scene too. I love it because it feels like your eyes are playing tricks on you right.

Speaker 2: 6:56

Yeah, it's like wait. How does the light shine so perfectly on that?

Speaker 1: 6:59

yeah, and so perfect. We haven't talked about any of the characters yet, but loving, wonderful, strong babysitter Laurie Strode maybe a little nerdy right has discovered all the bodies of her friends and there's a moment where she's standing at the edge of the room, right.

Speaker 2: 7:16

Or he's sitting in the stairs right.

Speaker 1: 7:19

And slowly but surely, that mask comes into frame. Yeah, it's an incredible shot. Yeah, and it certainly first looks like oh man, are my eyes playing tricks on me?

Speaker 2: 7:32

It's like where's the rest of his body.

Speaker 1: 7:34

Yeah, like what is happening, and there's so much that this movie I feel like it introduced me to the idea of what I call watching the frame Of everything in the frame of the shot in the movie, is important, right, and horror movies always have me watching the sides of the frame to see if I can get a glimpse or what happens. And they frequently put Michael rarely in the center Right, he's almost always framed on the side or in a weird way.

Speaker 2: 8:05

Yeah, so you. It's almost like he's not there.

Speaker 1: 8:10

Right, and it's interesting because he's billed in the script as the shape and so you really get a sense of he's not just a man. You get a sense that he's something more like a boogeyman. Yeah, yeah, I think this is a great, uh, beginner horror movie because and it's also just great to watch every year. But it's a great meditation, I think, on fear and the fear of the dark in general, of like what's out there, because every person really has this like I don't know, would you say, fear of the dark. Do you think that's?

Speaker 1: 8:46

has this like I don't know, would you say fear of the dark, do you think that's it's not really of the dark, it's of the unknown. Oh okay, talk more about that.

Speaker 2: 8:52

Oh no, yeah, that's really smart, though that's really it's not the dark that scares you, because we're fine with the color black. A lot of people wear it it's, it's, it's less of. I can't see what's in there. What's going on, right? The not liking of that, the other uncomfort of just not liking.

Speaker 1: 9:09

Right. Yeah, well, and everybody's had that moment where you you know I literally just did this yesterday, right when it's like hey, time to take out the trash and it's dark and you go out the front door and you're like, okay, and you have that little like in your stomach, yeah, of like what's out there? Yeah, and we all have that. Yeah, and this movie, unlike a lot of horror movies before that were kind of, how would you say, monster movies, yeah right, that were movies that were a little more like I don't know, like we watched the Birds. Yeah, right, we watched the Birds, or there's like the Blob, or there's other kind of horror movies that weren't necessarily about the fear of the unknown out there.

Speaker 2: 9:58

It's more of just the. This isn't human fear.

Speaker 1: 10:02

Yeah, and I think the setting does matter because it's in the suburbs.

Speaker 2: 10:06

It's normal, it's everyday life, yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:10

It just looks like everyday life and clearly the people in this movie had never seen a slasher movie.

Speaker 2: 10:15

Well, it's because there was no other slasher.

Speaker 1: 10:16

Yeah, right, that wasn't, but there are things that have, I think, embedded in our consciousness about a figure like Michael Myers and the mask. He's very iconic, and one of the things I like about the first movie is you never understand why. Yeah, there's never like. Well, this is what happens, right? Yeah, this is why he did it, and I think a lot of movies now explain every little detail like friday the 13th, the thank him.

Speaker 2: 10:53

My life was like I can't.

Speaker 1: 10:54

Let him save him yeah, yeah, this one is just like this guy is coming and there's no stopping, and I think. So we have a little bit of time to camp out on it. So we said your favorite scene. I haven't said my favorite scene. Let me say that, and then I'll ask you another question again. Um, I think my favorite scene it's really hard to choose, I would. I think my favorite is probably your favorite. A scene that I want to give a special shout out to, that I really enjoy, is the moment, um, that annie is like wait, I thought the car was locked when she's sitting there in the car and so she comes to the car. It's locked. She goes inside to get the keys, she comes back and she gets in the car and it's not locked and she has that moment of pause and then he comes from the back seat and gets her she's like hold on, it was just like a it's like a real human moment of like wait, I thought this was locked, oh no, and then he kills her.

Speaker 1: 11:55

Yeah, uh, that's a, that's an amazing moment, yeah, and so with um, with a movie like this, where, where there's some serious yeah, they're okay when there's some serious horror movies, this is like your foray into some of those kind of scary movies, and so we did best scene. What do you think the best kill was?

Speaker 2: 12:20

That's kind of a part of horror movies and what it is kill was that's kind of a part of horror movies and what it is? The bat? Oh, the best kill might have been the the one with bob in the kitchen, because he comes in, stabs him.

Speaker 1: 12:36

Right, he's a 23 year old man, but I doubt he has the power to lift him up with one hand and then stab him to the wall and then he does the, the famous kind of head thing, right, it's like where he tilts his head and looks at the, the work of art he's created. Yeah, I don't know, it's kind of a weird, uh, it's, it's unnerving. That scene is very uncomfortable, right, because it builds the tension and builds and builds and builds, and it certainly created that kind of formula. When you watch other slasher movies, it didn't invent tension, right, alfred Hitchcock. We've seen Rear Window, right, there's a lot of tension in those movies, but the way this deploys tension is very different. Yeah, um, as it does that, I would say that. Uh, I'll just say that the when, uh, the annie kill was probably my favorite it gets uh wait a minute.

Speaker 1: 13:34

Yeah, wait a minute. Um, and it's so. It's very startling. Yeah, uh, very much so, and I think when I was your age, I think I probably saw it. Well, probably way too young, but yeah, when I saw it, I think when I was your age, I think I probably saw it. Well, probably way too young, but when I saw it, I think annie was the girl that I had a crush on, like she's kind of funny and sassy and silly, but you didn't want like the little girl scout yeah, but as an adult, like one of the things that we um this, this is a great moment to talk a little bit about the characters, and so we have some great characters.

Speaker 1: 14:07

I talked about Annie. She's sassy. She's a little bit of a firecracker.

Speaker 2: 14:11

Yeah. We've got Linda, who's like the cheerleader and just a little airhead-y yeah okay, right, I forget my chemistry book, my reading books, my French books, my English books. I forget all my books, really.

Speaker 1: 14:25

Yeah, of french books, my english books, forget all my books really. Yeah, it's a great quote, right, it says so much and what? Let me take a moment to pause. One of the like trivia parts is that a lot of that script which I think in a lot of horror movies that come after this, the dialogue between women especially, was really bad and kind of stupid. What, what do you mean? It made them seem kind of dumb. But this feels like how women talk, how girls in high school would talk, like you're in middle school. This is not unlike how girls in middle school would talk to each other.

Speaker 2: 14:55

That's probably an average day basis.

Speaker 1: 14:57

It felt really natural and I do think that's important. And we got Bob who just the big glasses, yeah Driving the van, very cool in that day, but he's bringing the beer.

Speaker 2: 15:12

We don't really know much about Bob. He's the party starter, though.

Speaker 1: 15:13

Yeah, he's like the party starter. I think that's a good thing. One of the pieces this does introduce into slasher movies is the tropes of the kinds of characters right, and you don't. We, you know we haven't talked a lot about this. The only other slasher movie you've seen so far is friday the 13th, which, will you know, which is a part of what we're doing for these, uh, for these podcasts, but it introduces kind of the tropes of the characters, but the really the core of the characters. We got michael right, who we don't really know a lot about, or the shape, if you will. But I think the two most iconic characters in the movie are Laurie Strode and Dr Loomis. Yeah, dr Loomis is his doctor and a very weird man.

Speaker 2: 15:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:54

He's not a typical helpful adult. Yeah, like he's a little unhinged.

Speaker 2: 16:02

The hey, Lonnie, get your ass back.

Speaker 1: 16:06

Yeah, he taunts Lonnie. Yeah, you know he's teasing these kids. Yeah, he pulls a gun while he's with the sheriff because something falls through the window.

Speaker 1: 16:16

Yeah, and the sheriff's kind of like what kind of doctor are you? No-transcript, what kind of psychiatrist carries a pistol? That's an unusual kind of thing to do. But one of the things that I think makes this movie work is that his character is deadly serious. Yeah, his character is so serious and he's got these monologues of just like. I spent five years trying to get to him and the rest of the time trying to keep him in. And the very beginning there's the great quote of he says it instead of he, where he's just like we'll sedate it. And she's like don't you think we should start calling him him? And he's like, if you say so, yeah, he just, he sees michael as such a detachment of, of, not a human, just uh, just an evil entity, right, right.

Speaker 1: 17:06

I've looked into his eyes, the devil's eyes. So we've got Crazy Dr Loomis running around.

Speaker 2: 17:15

I'm thinking of the Friday the 13th. Who would that be?

Speaker 1: 17:18

They don't really have that character in Friday the 13th.

Speaker 2: 17:20

They have a small bit of that character with the Crazy.

Speaker 1: 17:23

Ralph. Yeah, there's Crazy Ralph On his little bicycle. You're all gonna die. You're all gonna die, you're all gonna die and then there's a it.

Speaker 1: 17:33

What's funny is that in that movie there's a long, there's a really long shot of him riding his bicycle away and in some ways you're trained to be like is he gonna die? Like is going to kill him, anyway. So in some ways the Loomis character is almost like a holdover from the old monster movies where there was always like a Van Helsing to chase the Dracula or some kind of person, to Dr Frankenstein to go after the monster, and he's a little bit of a holdover of that. The most iconic character, would say from halloween, outside of michael right, who we still see show up on cars for some reason. I don't know why people would have a michael myers bumper sticker. I mean, I get it. I guess he's like a fun character to think about. But the iconic character that we see in every slasher from here on out basically is the final girl, the final, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:30

And so the final girl becomes a slasher trope that we see in almost every movie after this the young, often naive, goody, two shoes kind of girl that eludes the killer in some kind of way or fights for Friday, the 13th. Yeah, in some kind of way. Or fights for friday the 13th? Yeah, um, and in this case, in halloween, laurie is is kind of a nerd right, and she's kind of shy and introverted, not like her friends yeah, I thought it was your favorite book.

Speaker 2: 19:02

I don't know. These are my favorite books.

Speaker 1: 19:04

I see why she doesn't like them um, she's uh, but she's a great babysitter. And a rule that I had that I would tell your mother about is when we were picking babysitters for you and your brother back when we were hiring babysitters, it was the laurie strode rule. Yeah, who would she be in halloween? Yeah, if we had a a linda or a bob or an annie? We're like no way, that's not our babysitter. We need a lori. Yeah, and your babysitters are always loris. Yeah, because while she's a little nerdy and a little like a kind of a pushover, right, you can just see her friends just like making fun of her telling her what to do. She fights for those kids, man.

Speaker 1: 19:48

She goes hard. It's pretty great. What do you think of the character of Laurie? What's the first thing that comes to mind as a 13-year-old Like I don't know. If you relate to her, Do you not relate to her? I don't relate to her. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:05

I might have a fighting instinct, but it's not one that fights for others, it's for myself.

Speaker 1: 20:13

it's just the basics of my full instinct. Yeah, well, that's interesting. Um, but lori becomes really the like, the standard, yeah, for what the final girl looks like, and I can understand why she's tough, she's sweet, but she's also like she cries at the end because this was a very upsetting thing, like, if you just think about it from we've been desensitized because we've seen a bunch of movies, but if you just look at it in this world, she has no idea why this person is trying to kill her and has already killed her friends. She doesn't. I don't think and you could tell me if I'm wrong I don't think she even knows it's Michael Myers. Yeah, I don't think there's any connection, because the Dr Loomis plot, where he knows and the cops know that they think he's coming home, is totally separate from the teenagers and so she probably has no idea why this person is coming after them.

Speaker 2: 21:07

Because the only time she really meets Dr Loomis is at the end where he shoots him.

Speaker 1: 21:10

Yeah, and they don't really. The only dialogue I think they have together was she says was that the boogeyman? And he says yes, yes, it was yeah. And it's like she literally just thinks this is the boogeyman. She's not like oh, michael Myers is back.

Speaker 2: 21:26

Yeah, do we see her?

Speaker 1: 21:30

in any of the later movies. Yeah, we'll get to sequels as we start to uh, as part of showing my children horror movies, there's a specific order. I'm trying to go in and, you know, sooner or later you'll have a chance to see some of the sequels and the the timeline of Halloween gets really messed up. The rest of the movies are not nearly as good, honestly, but this one, iconic, excellent, just a fantastic movie from top to bottom, and really one that I love bottom and incredible, really one that I love and I hope you continue to love, as the franchise, you know, continues to go on and other scary movies continue to go on, and so when you're um evaluating scary movies, where does this one rank for you?

Speaker 2: 22:29

Scary movies I've seen so far. I'm going to give it like a top. It's the best.

Speaker 1: 22:35

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 22:37

I get that Of all time. No, no, but easily top five.

Speaker 1: 22:41

I love this one. It'll be fun kind of being on this discovery journey, yeah, but I do think it is tremendously scary when you look at it from their perspective of you. Have no idea why this discovery journey, but I do think it is tremendously scary when you look at it from their perspective of you have no idea why this is happening and this is, as we're doing, the generational thing. I still remember my parents talking about how they used to not lock their doors. That was something that you just never did.

Speaker 2: 23:05

Because no one would do that.

Speaker 1: 23:07

Yeah, you wouldn't think about it and generally people don't do that. Now, right, I don't know. I don't know if the world is more or less dangerous. That's a whole other serious podcast conversation, but that's not what we do here. Um, so you would be excited to see the sequel I would be excited to see the sequel, yeah and there are so many of these movies, and a lot of them are bad. Yeah, that's just the fun part though.

Speaker 1: 23:31

Yeah, that's kind of the fun part of being introduced. What would you say to parents who might be showing their kids this Like if they might be going uh, is my kid ready for it? Because it hasn't given you nightmares, it hasn't really bothered you in any way. It doesn't seem like like unless there's something that I'm missing? No, I haven't had any nightmares, you're fine yeah, so what would you say to parents who might be wanting to share this classic with their kids?

Speaker 2: 24:00

I don't know. Uh, I'm trying to think it's really, really hard. Oh, that's okay.

Speaker 1: 24:10

What would you say to kids who might be should I watch this movie? Or is it like there might be some kids who are into horror movies who might think it's lame? There might be some kids that are scared of horror movies that wouldn't want to watch it. Do you have any advice for kids in general about it?

Speaker 2: 24:25

In those two categories kids who think it's cheesy. Picture yourself in their shoes. No, that's a. Think of it more philosophically and less movie-like. That's less, that's just more of what to say. Oh nice For kids that are scared to see it. It's thoughtful, not thoughtful, it's creatively cheesy. Yeah, Like the like. Nowadays when someone gets stabbed it's like they cut, put blood over it. Yeah, now, but with the first scene with um, what was her name again?

Speaker 1: 25:06

Judith, judith, sister, yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:08

Um, she has, she's putting on her makeup, right, she has the blood somewhere and then starts like you know, yeah, like an actual person, one, because it's like, ow, this hurts, right, um, but it it does two things, portraying um, that is like that's very human, but also it gets a job done. Yeah, so it's, it's, it's, it's creatively cheesy.

Speaker 1: 25:31

Yeah, and it does, I think, for somebody who you know was born past the two thousands and into the 2010s.

Speaker 2: 25:42

right, People born after 2010.

Speaker 1: 25:45

Yeah, oh right, as somebody who was built built that way, this might feel a little almost like uh quaint, yeah like it like it's almost to your point. Cheesy of just like it feels like grandma's favorite horror movie yeah, you know, like because your grandma saw this in theater and she's one of the reasons that I love horror movies because she really liked this movie and I wanted to see it and I remember asking a lot of questions about it because this was classic, right.

Speaker 1: 26:14

And so in some ways it's almost like a grandma's horror movie, where it's like oh, here's that Michael.

Speaker 2: 26:20

Myers yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:22

And so what I would say is, if your kids have problems with tension, this is not a good movie to show them. There's a lot of tension, it's a little bit scary, and if your kids are worried about a boogeyman in the dark, this would be a terrible movie to show them, because this is. Is that the boogeyman? Yeah, because the movie is literally like yes, there's a boogeyman, he has a giant knife, your parents can't stop him. You could shoot him six times and he won't be dead.

Speaker 2: 26:48

He retreated, but he won't be dead.

Speaker 1: 26:52

Yeah, that doesn't exactly help. That doesn't exactly help the cause of this. And so parents, as you're thinking about showing your kids horror movies, this is just my general advice, because I freaking love horror movies and I assume the audience loves horror movies as well that are listening to this one, really know your kids and what scares them. Yeah, and always wait too long, like walter. You have been impatient.

Speaker 1: 27:19

I think that's very, but I've always been like I would rather show it to you too late than too early yeah because when, when it's been where you've been super mature enough for it, you've been able to appreciate it, love it, and then you're not like sleeping in our bed at night you know what I mean or staying up forever, um, you're just appreciating it. So it's always better to wait longer. Would you even? Would you even agree with that? Would you be willing to, like, sign your name to that? Maybe? Maybe not from a parent perspective parent perspective yes, my perspective no yeah, you want to see all that you can.

Speaker 1: 27:54

Uh, you know what? I just thought about another scene that I love that. I really enjoy, uh, at the end, when dr loomis goes to look at him after he's fallen off the balcony and shot six times and he's not there and the look on dr loomis's face is perfect because he's a little surprised but he's mostly just kind of like that's what I expected.

Speaker 1: 28:16

What are you gonna do? Of course, right, and the movie just ends showing the, the hallways and everything. A little bit of trivia, uh, and I've told you this a million times probably, but mom and I used to live where they filmed this movie and so it was a little creepy to walk the dogs down the same alleyways as michael myers and it's like chelweed lock the doors yeah, so that was what. There's so many great uh trivia things about this movie, including the leaves. I talked about the leaves today.

Speaker 2: 28:48

They filmed it in Southern California, the leaves.

Speaker 1: 28:50

Standing in for Haddonfield Illinois. So they reused almost all the leaves that you see in the shots.

Speaker 2: 28:57

Yeah, it also explains why the trees aren't brown.

Speaker 1: 28:59

Yeah, and why there's palm trees in Haddonfield, illinois, but you don't really think about it because, it does get the setting right. It feels kind of midwestern. Uh, another piece of trivia, that's fun. Deborah hill, the one of the producers and really one of the creative forces behind halloween and the halloween franchise, is the hand of michael myers during that long camera shot at the beginning where where she picks up the knife.

Speaker 1: 29:22

In this case, little michael picks up the knife because she had a believable hand and a small enough hand to do that and you you know you didn't have the kid do that. Um, yeah it. This is an independent movie made by john carpenter, who's one of the great directors. We've watched some of his other movies. You've seen uh, big trouble in little china. That movie's really fun. Um, I think he's got some really scary movies. At some point we'll watch the thing, which is kind of a sci-fi horror movie. Is it dumb Is the Thing dumb.

Speaker 2: 29:52

Is it good?

Speaker 1: 29:53

Yes, I think it's great. I think it's technically a better film than Halloween, like, if you're grading movies on like quality. It's like a big studio kind of movie, so tons of money for special effects. It's kind of like aliens. Yeah, uh, that level, uh it's. It's a little different than aliens and, I think, a little scarier in some ways but that's because aliens is like we gotta kill the aliens.

Speaker 2: 30:20

It's an action movie.

Speaker 1: 30:21

yeah, uh, ostensibly so. Uh, the thing is good. Uh, big trouble, little china. He has a scarier movie that one day will jump into Prince of Darkness. You've seen they Live. That's a really fun sci-fi action kind of movie with Rowdy Roddy Piper. Enjoy that one. But John Carpenter is a fantastic director, graduated from USC, mom and I's alma mater. Yeah, just got to get that in there, got to get that little bit in there. But there are so many great things.

Speaker 1: 30:51

This is a movie that has a lot of lore behind it. At one point it was the highest grossing independent film of all time and in terms of how much it cost to shoot, it made an incredible profit and has launched not just the slasher movie, but it really seemed to kick off the franchise. It really made you know, as we are in the intellectual property era right now, where we have the Marvel Cinematic Universe and we've got all these cinematic universes and all these things that are super connected, this launched the idea of a franchise where you just keep making sequels and sequels and sequels. I think there's 10 total Halloween movieseen movies. Um, well, let me think about it there's there's rough.

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No, there's more than that, because there's two sets of remakes. Yeah so, but these rights are highly coveted because a lot of people love these movies. Well, we freaking love this movie and we hope you love it too. Uh, we are enjoying this spooky month, uh, and we'll talk more about the spooky movies that we're uh going to see. You'll hear from us. Uh, you'll hear from us again. I've really enjoyed this experience, man, this has been a lot of fun. We're going to be talking about a lot of stuff. Well, dude, this has been a lot of fun. I love watching scary movies with you. Yeah, until next time. This is. I Freakin' Love that Movie, thank you.